Anonymous asked: What do you have to support the fact that he abuses dogs? I've never seen him abuse one. Ever.

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So is he to just let the dog bite him?

If you loom in an extremely threatening way over anyone, not just a dog, when they are in a vulnerable position, yes you should just let them bite you because you made a very stupid decisions.

The question presupposes that the dog is the antagonizer in this situation. The dog is in a position of defense, not attack. 

“Should he just let the dog bite him?” is the wrong question. If someone showed a clip of a child playing with his bike, and a stray dog running up and assaulting him viciously, and he began to strike the dog to defend himself, then the question would be valid. What else should the child do, but to begin defending himself? 

This is not the situation. Millan presents himself as a power-figure, one to be feared. He immediately presents a threat by positioning himself in a threatening position with his body language. The dog is on the defense, because he wants his food, and he fears it will be taken from him. 

Then, Millan strikes. The dog’s fears are affirmed, and he snaps back in defense, and as a warning. But note that as he snaps, HE IS BACKING AWAY. The dog does NOT want this fight. He does NOT want to attack him. He JUST wants to eat in peace and he is backing away, but attempting to defend himself. 

In short, if Millan doesn’t want to get bit, he should probably not antagonize a reactive dog. 

BOOM

In this gif he genuinely seems to be provoking the fuck out of the dog, violently. He seems to be hitting the dog, and even if he’s just feinting… that’s awful.

I’ve watched Victoria Sitwell (also dogs) and Jackson Galaxy (cats). They both present themselves in the animal’s space to see what reaction they get. But I’ve never seen either of them come anywhere near hitting an animal. Honestly, what the hell is this asshole’s problem.

I’ve only seen Jackson but if the cat is aggressive he backs the fuck off. He does NOT strike a cat. For any reason. Even being attacked or scratched he thinks about how HE made the mistake and how to fix it.

<p>^^^ also this. He’s very good at not antagonizing aggressive cats at all, but when they ARE aggressive he would let a cat bite or scratch him before he so much as touched it, let alone hit it.
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I spent a few minutes on google, to refamiliarize myself with Victoria, because it’s been a while since I watched “It’s Me or the Dog” – but immediately I found an article asking readers to compare these two specifically, and whoa Ceasar is terrible and should stop.
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FYI, Victoria has never been bitten by a dog. Google’s pretty firm on that. And when dogs bite people in the family, she recognizes where the bad behavior is – their adult owners. Ceasar on the other hand appears to be operating on the pseudoscience (and outright myth) of “alpha males”. Victoria uses positive reinforcement, in the casual rather than the literal sense, like treats and figuring out what the dog needs emotionally from its owners; Ceasar intimidates dogs into compliance, which will just deepen the fear and insecurity being displayed by the dog in this gif.
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Here’s <a href=“http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/its-me-or-dog/training-tips/child-dog-safety/”>a very brief post from an interview with her</a>, it looks like, on child-dog safety that illustrates her point of view.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Ceasar is apparently a jackass who uses choke collars and shock collars. There’s no excuse for that, ever.</p>

FUCK Cesar Millan.

Wow this is so gross

Okay, so I’m not a dog expert, but I actually watched this episode and I remember it very vividly.  You CANNOT JUDGE this situation by the gifs alone, so here’s some background:

The dog is the problem in the situation.  She is “the antagonizer.”

The dog, Holly, was hyper protective of food and territory and would not let ANYONE near her food without lunging and snarling at them, and the family had a baby.  You don’t have to approach this dog in an aggressive position, she will threaten you anyway.  Caesar had spent a good amount of time trying to give and take food from the dog, but it led to this confrontation:

(BLOOD WARNING)

The dog snarls at Caesar so he jabs at the dog’s throat, mimicking warning nips that dogs use.  He didn’t hit the dog like the gif suggests and the dog getting aggressive around food has been a continual problem that he’s trying to break her of.  When Caesar stands for too long between her and the food bowl, and he’s NOT IN AN AGGRESSIVE POSITION, she lunges and BITES HIM AND DOESN’T LET GO.  He fights her off, then stands over her, trying to get her to realize who is in control of the situation.  He has a deep puncture wound bleeding and still doesn’t back down.

What this video doesn’t show is that he tells the family he cannot comfortably let them keep Holly while they have a baby, so they allow him to take her to his facility to rehabilitate her.  She spends a month or so there, spending a lot of time around calm dogs and getting healthy amounts of exercise to burn off energy.  Eventually she becomes friendly with the dogs but ultimately the family did give her up out of concern for their baby.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with Caesar’s methods, I go back and forth on them myself, but don’t ignore the entire truth of the situation.  Slander only weakens your argument.  If you want to argue against Caesar’s methods, then offer suggestions on how to deal with a dog that won’t let you near her food without threatening to attack.

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Okay you very clearly do not know anything about canine body language. That’s fine, it’s not your fault.

What Millan is doing throughout this entire video is actually aggressive by dog body language, which a trainer should know at least a little.

Prolonged eye contact especially with unfamiliar or untrusting dogs can be extremely unnerving. How would you feel if someone you don’t know well or you do not trust, or both, in Holly’s situation, went right up to you and stared straight into your eyes? You would feel extremely uncomfortable correct? Well, that’s how Holly feels.

Look here, she looks away from Millan. This is a calming signal in dogs, something that a dog does when it wants to lessen the arousal state in an encounter.

And then look at this. At this point, Holly is not growling at all but because she is not “submissive” Millan leans over her head. Holly is already in a very vulnerable position. Her head is down, she has no way to defend herself quickly. She just wants to eat. But Millan takes advantage of her vulnerable positions and leans over her, putting her in an even scarier position. Look how tense his body is too. Barking and lunging dogs are really saying “keep away from me, I don’t want you near me.” They’re giving you a heads up that they don’t want you near them, giving you a fair warning. A still, tense dog is much more dangerous than a lunging and barking dog because that dog is conserving energy and is readying itself to attack you. It’s not going to give you a heads up. That is what Millan is displaying right now and Holly can tell.

So Holly has already been intimidated by this unfamiliar, untrustworthy man, he has her in a very vulnerable position and he is displaying all the signs of an attack. So Holly does that barking, growling and lunging thing. She growls, she nips him on the knee, she says “back off I don’t want you near me.”

And Millan strikes her instead.

You might see here that Holly goes right back to eating. She doesn’t want to engage with Millan, her thought process is basically “okay I’ve told him to back off plenty of times right he should just let me eat now.”

He doesn’t. 

Here she is again, backing up and showing her teeth. Millan is still tense, still ready to strike. Holly is basically saying “hey you see these things!? They’re sharp, they’re my weapon I can hurt you with them but I don’t want to but stop hurting me! Just let me eat.”

Here she pulls back her teeth and displays more calming behaviors. That paw lift right there? That’s a calming behavior. When it doesn’t work and Millan keeps back her into a corner, she bares her teeth again, in yet another warning.

When her two other warnings aren’t received, she lunges at him. But this lunge is very slow. It’s actually another warning, probably to give another warning nip. Dogs are fast. If she really wanted to bite him here, she would have.

See all this lip licking, looking away and blinking she’s doing? More calming signals. Lying down down is also a calming signal and so is yawning, which she is doing in the last screenshot. Holly actually signals beautifully, it’s extremely upsetting that Millan isn’t reading her signals.

Looking away, lip licking, blinking. Again, more calming signals. She’s still very scared and responsibly too. This man is still in her face and he just hit her.

Millan calls these two shots “relaxed.” They’re not. She’s showing the whites of her eyes, which is a stress signal and she is looking towards her owner, saying “this guy is scaring me, can you help?”

She bites him only after he invades her personal space again. Imagine you just want to eat and an unfamiliar and intimidating man is continuously threatening you and has even hit you already. You try to calm him down with almost every method in the book but it still isn’t working. He is still keeping you away from your food, still very close to you and then he reaches out and pats your cheek. Say you have a knife on you and you haven’t used it yet but this man is still near you, still invading your space and you are terrified. So you jump up and stab him with the knife.

Holly bites him and holds on for only about three seconds before letting go. And make no mistake, despite the fact that he kicked her to get her to let go, she chose to let go herself. The kick he gave her was not strong and if she really tried to hurt him and hang on, she really would have.

After the bite, he stands directly over there and then even has the gall to stand there and say “I didn’t see that coming.” If Millan knew anything about canine body language, he would have seen that coming.

These are some good articles about dog body language and behaviors: click1, click2, click3

And here’s an amazing article written by a professional and certified dog trainer (which Millan is not by the way) on resource guarding, the behavior that Holly is exhibiting.

@thepoodlepack, This is an excellent breakdown, thank you so much for showing all this, and I’m gladly reblogging for anyone interested! I had @b3lugas also helpfully respond with the same techniques shown in that article, so I’m really glad you shared that too so I and anyone else can get a better understanding of that technique. It sounds a lot healthier and easier to manage style than Caesar’s.